Friday, August 08, 2008

what a Rosary is not...

... JEWELRY!

This guy was sitting at my desk wearing a big silver Rosary around his neck so I asked if he was Catholic. He replied "No. Why?". Dip shit.

25 comments:

a thorn in the pew said...

I think Billy Idol wears one. There ya have it.

Carolina Cannonball said...

like I said... dip shit.

Charlie said...

I often wear my rosary, and see no problem with that in and of itself - but when non-Catholics begin treating them as fashion items (whose origins they are not aware of), there's an obvious problem.

Roman Sacristan said...

Wearing it makes it look like you think it's jewelery. You might not think it is, but people who see you think you do. Non-Catholics will usually think you're making a fashion statement, and many Catholics will think you're being disrepectful.
I guess you can do whatever you want, but whether you realize or intend it or not, you're sending a signal.

Joe of St. Thérèse said...

They make rosary necklaces designed for that purpose. That being said, non-Catholics wearing a rosary, a huge problem.

Charlie said...

Seems like the custom of not wearing a rosary is mainly Irish/English in origin. Most other Catholic cultures favor wearing the rosary, and Saint Louis Marie de Montfort defends it in his writings.

Carolina Cannonball said...

I know religious tend to wear a rosary on their persons... but not as a necklace. It's not jewelry. Its a sacramental.

Dan Hunter said...

Mrs Cannonball,
I cmpletely agree with you.
Wearing a rosary is most likely sacriligous.

Charlie said...

I think you'll find that wearing the rosary around one's neck (besides being recommended by some saints) has historical precedent and is common practice in many places. Images of Saint Martin de Porres often show him wearing the rosary.

I do agree, of course, it shouldn't be treated like mere jewelry - nor should a crucifix or religious medal.

Carolina Cannonball said...

"I do agree, of course, it shouldn't be treated like mere jewelry - nor should a crucifix or religious medal."

well played. ;-)

ignorant redneck said...

I see caucasian girls on the bus who wear them as neclaces--they invariably are trying to dress like the hispanic girls. they also invariably exude the aura I associate -- not good things.

I'm often tempted to ask them if they want to say the rosary with me while they ride.

jill said...

"I'm often tempted to ask them if they want to say the rosary with me while they ride."

And what's their response? :P

I also get annoyed when chotki/komboskinia (knotted Orthodox prayer ropes) are worn as fashion statements. Just as bad are bracelets made up of little icons. Disgraceful.

David L Alexander said...

Whether one thinks it makes great jewelry or not is irrelevant. Some members of religious orders clip them on their cinctures. But it has never, been appropriate to wear it around one's neck.

I say the rosary when I'm on a long road trip. I keep one hanging from my rear-view mirror. It was either that or the fuzzy dice.

Charlie said...

"But it has never, been appropriate to wear it around one's neck."

I think St. Louis de Montfort might disagree with you xD

David L Alexander said...

"I think St. Louis de Montfort might disagree with you."

Well, next time I see him, I'll ask him. Maybe he'd like the ones I saw in a fashion boutique earlier this year. Maybe he can give us some insights on why Madonna or Cyndi Lauper wore one. Or maybe you can save us both some trouble and cite something he actually said about it.

Which still wouldn't make it appropriate.

Charlie said...

:D I didn't mean to come off as argumentative - but wearing the rosary is definitely a valid practice.

Let's see...

These are from The Secret of the Rosary:

86"Blessed Alan relates that a man he knew had tried desperately all kinds of devotions to rid himself of the evil spirit which possessed him, but without success. Finally, he thought of wearing his rosary round his neck, which eased him considerably"

99"...our Lady appeared to him (King Alponsus) at the end of his Rosary and said, "... Here is a rosary, which I present to you; wear it, and I promise you that none of your enemies will be able to harm you."

He also relates that Pope Innocent grants a hundred day's indulgence "To those who openly wear the rosary out of devotion and to set a good example..."

And pointing out the error of some, condemns those who say: 148 "But really and truly, what are you doing with that enormous pair of beads? I've seen a rosary of only one decade, it's just as good as one of fifteen decades. Why on earth are you wearing it on your belt, fanatic that you are? Why don't you go the whole way and wear it round your neck like the Spaniards? They are great lovers of rosaries; they carry a big rosary in one hand, while in the other they have a dagger to give a treacherous stab. For goodness' sake drop these exterior devotions; true devotion is in the heart. And so on."

I'm sure you could probably dig up more in True Devotion to Mary. Anyway, I don't mean to suggest that those who don't wear the rosary are doing something wrong - only to defend what I consider a pretty orthodox and common spiritual practice, much like wearing the scapular.

David L Alexander said...

Wow, Charlie, that's a new one on me. You have to admit, though, it hasn't been encouraged in the same way as the scapular, which was usually (except in rare instances) worn underneath one's clothing.

Charlie said...

:) Yeah, I agree it isn't hasn't nearly been encouraged on the same level of the scapular (at least in our culture). I imagine the penal times probably had something to do with that, and the American Church has a lot of Irish influence in terms of piety.

Carolina Cannonball said...

For goodness' sake drop these exterior devotions; true devotion is in the heart.

A Simple Sinner said...

"I also get annoyed when chotki/komboskinia (knotted Orthodox prayer ropes) are worn as fashion statements."

This is something you have actually seen? I bet if you ask, you will find that anyone wearing what looks like chotki on their wrist is wearing the hindu beads/knots that look similar. Wearing a chotki around one's wrist - after recieving a blessing to do so - is perfectly valid. I have on and off for years.

As to wearing a rosary around one's neck? It was and still is a perrectly common practice among Latinos and Africans. In Africa - in the days before we shipped second hand Led Zeppelin shirts over by the ton - when folks wore native garb that was often without pockets, EVERYONE in some Catholic villages wore their rosaries around their neck, rosaries often made of knotted twine. My grandmother kept one such rosary given to her by a missionary that visited her parish on a peg near the kitchen sink.

I wear a knotted cord rosary around my neck and UNDER my under-shirt and work-shirt. It was sent as a gift to me by one of my readers and it reminds me when I feel it against my heart to take a moment to pray.

It is NOT jewelry. It is also NOT forbidden to wear it. Wearing it under your clothes is probably the best way to go...

jill said...

simplesinner, the people I refer to are definitely baptised Orthodox, not Hindus or other non-Christians. It is not difficult to distinguish between folks who wear their chotki reverently and humbly, and those who don't.

Dymphna said...

Whenever I see someone wearing a rosary around their neck I want to snatch it off. Since they're usually gang members, I refrain.

I really hate the sight of the rosary hanging on the rear view mirror. Your rosary is a powerful sacramental and a weapon against sin. You don't causually display your weapon. Ugh!

David L Alexander said...

"I really hate the sight of the rosary hanging on the rear view mirror. Your rosary is a powerful sacramental and a weapon against sin...."

I'll be sure to remind half the Latino population of the DC area. Would you rather I also did not "casually display" my Sacred Heart Auto Club membership? Oy!

A Simple Sinner said...

"I really hate the sight of the rosary hanging on the rear view mirror. Your rosary is a powerful sacramental and a weapon against sin. You don't causually display your weapon. Ugh!"

There is no pleasing some people.

I appreciate when other Catholics have their Rosary hanging from the review mirror most especially when we are stopped side-by-side in our cars at a light. Many are the times I have looked over, pointed to mine, pointed to theirs and given a nod and a smile.

Its good to know who is family.

Carolina Cannonball said...

Sinner- you got hotmail!