Wednesday, November 25, 2009

Annual Thanks Giving Rant...

... it just isn't a holiday with out Mass hijacks and indignant rants. Cheers.

Look, I love Thanksgiving and eating turkey till I pass out and wallowing in gluttony as much as the next guy... but why does this have to be reflected in the Mass with all kinds of kook boogery?

Case in point #1: the annual ecumenical interfaith worship service. blech.
Case in point #2: a parish, who shall remain anonymous ... but those who know me can probably figure it out... is having the parish write 'thank you' notes and place them in a basket. The basket of thank fullness will then be presented at the altar during Mass by high school and middle school youth. seriously. Blech.

Last time I checked... the mass was thanks giving... hell, "Eucharist" even means thanks giving. You don't really need all the extra liturgical B.S to drive it home... if you do, than you got bigger congregational problems than a basket of notes carried by groups of prancing kids can ever begin to scratch.


Cathy_of_Alex said...

And people think I'M cranky! :-)

I agree 100%

ignorant redneck said...

I'm with you , CC!

Our parish does one thing at the Thanksgiving mMass peculiar to the thanksgiving Mass: parishoners place their thanksgiving wine, and their fancy bread or other foodstuff on a table, and instead of a prayers of the Faithful/collection at a lectern, father offers the prayers of the faithful and blesses the holiday food--out of the book of blessings, but I don't know much about that--and we tak it home to our tables.

don't know if it's a noraml thing, but Fr. hasn't done anything that's not authorized, dignified and reverent otherwise, so I guess it's OK.

Angela M. said...

A basket of thanksgiving notes. Hmph. Last time I checked we prayed silently and "put it on the paten" FIGURATIVLEY so our cares and joys and thanks are transformed with the bread and wine during the Consecration.

cordelia said...

i'm just hoping i won't be singing table of plenty tomorrow.

cordelia said...

i'm just hoping i won't be singing table of plenty tomorrow.

Matt and Cyndi said...

What Thanksgiving offering can be greater or better than offering back to God the Body and Blood of His Son?

jill said...

""put it on the paten" FIGURATIVLEY so our cares and joys and thanks are transformed with the bread and wine during the Consecration."

Ewww. Sorry, Angela, but this smacks of blasphemy to me. Though I heartily agree with Kat's rant against the "thank you" collection. Self-indulgent crap.

shussong said...

We used to do this in my Protestant church growing up...I for one think it is a good thing. Especially in this day and age where folks seem to get knotted up so easily on the issue of the moment, and speakly snarkily and uncharitibly about various government and religious leaders--who incidently ARE our neighbors, who we are supposed to love as we love ourselves....we forget too often that we are indeed richly blessed. We rush through the Our Father and the Hail Mary without really thinking about the words....what miracles would be done in the world if for every unkind word we uttered or action we performed, we spend three times as much in joyful thanksgiving??? People say "I don't have the time."
They don't even have 15 minutes to spend "keeping company" with the Blessed Virgin. Yet they have plenty of time to spew hate and discontent, to be totally disrespectful of many of our own clergy and religious (and you WONDER why there's a shortage of vocations??), and be genuinely unChristlike??
I will be making up my list of thanksgiving tonight, to take to Mass with me tomorrow, and although there may not be a basket to bring forward, afterward I will bring forward my list, in prayer and thanksgiving for the abundance that the Good Lord has showered upon me this year...for job, for friends, for family, for success, for health, for my vocation, my house, my pets, so many things, even the electricity and running water. And Dear God please forgive those who take your abundant blessings for granted..
Happy Thanksgiving to all...


Ramil said...

As to offering ourselves on the paten, along with the hosts:

I am certain of being taught this in the seminary. This was the liturgical spirituality in the works of Prosper Gueranger and Lambert Beauduin, Nicholas Gihr and so many others - I even recall Fulton Sheen. But I'm already at my parent's for the holiday and don't have my theological library and can only find the following online immediately:

The Mass Explained by Msgr. Cormac Burke (

"We have ended the liturgy of the word. Now we start the eucharistic liturgy in which the main actions of the Mass take place. The eucharistic liturgy is made up of three main parts: the presentation of the gifts, the eucharistic prayer or Canon (with the consecration), and the communion. In the presentation of the gifts (or the offertory) the priest (and we with him) offers the hosts — some small particles of unleavened bread — and small quantity of wine. What he offers is really very little. We could say that it has practically no value. But, it should represent us. If you want to learn to take proper part in the Holy Mass, it is important that you learn to offer yourself and to offer all that is yours in this moment of the Mass.3 Take your work, your studies, your needs, your struggle, and even your weaknesses. Take all of that and put it on the paten beside the hosts, those small pieces of bread. Put it on the chalice with the wine.

Up to the moment of the consecration our offering to God has practically no value. From the moment on, it has infinite value! Doesn't this help you see the importance of offering yourself with the bread and the wine so that they represent your day, your life? If you do this you are participating in the Mass, and God will gradually do with your life what he does with the bread and wine. He will gradually turn your life — your ordinary everyday life — into something with divine value in his eyes. Your life — your work, your rest, your sports, your friendships — if you associate it closely to the Holy Mass, will be a sanctified life, which means sanctified work, sanctified rest, sanctified sports, sanctified friendships. Unite yourself well to the Holy Mass."

In this quote, he references Presbyterorum Ordinis, Lumen Gentium, and Mediator Dei.

The below quote is from the site of Saint Barbara Greek Orthodox Church in Connecticut, explaining their liturgy: (

"And so it is with us and God. We give Him a present. In itself this present consists of a round loaf of bread - a very small value! But because it is a gift, it bears the meaning we put into it. We should, then, make it mean all that we can in the way of praise and love; we should put ourselves into that bread just as the child put herself into the flower. Then it will be precious to God as the flower was to the mother.

Our Offering of Ourselves
That is our part in the sacrifice of the liturgy. When the priest holds up the bread and wine at the altar, he tells God what we intend them to mean. It is not just the priest but everybody in the congregation who is helping to offer the sacrifice through their prayers. We put ourselves into that paten with the Altar Bread, offering to God our mind and heart, our soul and body, all that we have and are. We must, as it were, pour our heart out into the chalice with the wine, and put into it all our hopes and fears, our joys and sorrows, our love and adoration, our obedience and commitment of our whole self. For all this is to go to God in the shape of a gift. That is our part at this point in the sacrifice: we are to make this offering a part of our lives by offering ourselves."

The idea of ourselves becoming a 'host', a sacrifice, a holocaust to be offered up to God our Father is not an unknown concept, not 'blasphemous'.

It is truly ineffable.

Many blessings to all this Thanksgiving,

Fr. Ramil