Monday, November 16, 2009

why woman don't belong in the military...

... I grew in the naval area of Norfolk Va. Every male member of my family has served in the military. It is not unheard of for some women in the military to intentionally get pregnant to avoid deployment.

While I feel for this single mother's struggles, being a single mother myself, I have no sympathy for women who join the military then act surprised when they are called to duty and make excuses to avoid fulfilling their obligations. If you don't want to go to some god forsaken shit hole defending your country... then don't enlist.

24 comments:

Amy said...

And what about the mother? I'm not trying to give the woman a pass, and I'm glad she gave her son life, but for this mom to say she couldn't "handle" her grandson for a year irritates me.

Why?

One - she wasn't watching this child while her daughter was on a globe-trotting vacation. Her daughter was being deployed to a WAR ZONE. There are more pressing issues on her mind - like not getting killed - than worrying about her mom. And if her mom is so overburdened she can't care for one child - how can she run a day care and care for two other relatives?

Something doesn't sit right with me there.

Sarah - Kala said...

I'm betting she acted impulsively as a result of feeling like she had no options (which, she does). I'm not sure she argued enough to stay stateside. I'm a navy wife - I've overheard young kids in line at the Post post office saying they didn't enlist to go to war - they just wanted their GI bills, well, let's just say this wife had a little chit chat with their sorry asses. Fine, for the GI bill, but this is the military and there is a war going on and when you are new in, where do you think you're going to end up? It is primarily the older guys (like my husband) who get the desk jobs (not that those are any fun either, since many of them help figure out where/how to fight this war, whether anyone agrees with it or not).

Unless granny has a serious medical/mental issue going on, she has a rotten heart for not wanting to keep her grandchild for a year. I can't imagine refusing even if I was ill.

I would think that this girl got some sort of counseling from her mentors about how to find placement for her son - definitely for the short term, but also a will made out for the long term.

margaret said...

I would imagine it's running a day care and having two other relatives to look after that makes it impossible to take the grandchild. What's she supposed to do - lose her business because her daughter is a single mum in the worst possible job? Perhaps she's put up and up with this girl's wrong decisions for years and is now drawing a line for the sake of her own sanity.

I wouldn't draw a complete line through women in the military but certainly mothers of young children. Motherhood shouldn't be second to anything.

Blanscet Hernandez Family said...

I agree, crescat. Don't enlist unless you are ready to serve in a war zone. That's the reality of being in the military. Thank God for them, 'cause I certainly couldn't hack fighting a war...which is why I never joined! ;-)

Agnes B Bullock said...

I served in the late 80s and the unmarried women and their children do place a burden on the chain of command. This woman should be courtmartialed and the child removed from her permanently. She signed up and can't fulfill her obligations? She is an adult and must live with the consequences of her actions. BUT, the Army will back down- look what happened at Ft Hood. Better be PC.

TheSeeker said...

Uuuuuuuuuugh I'm with you, Crescat.

Dymphna said...

I'm with you. Equality means facing up to your obligations, same as a man. If you aren't ready to go to war then you have no business in the military sucking up benies and making it harder for everybody else.

DammitWomann said...

Wow Agnes - a little overkill don't ya think? Court martialed AND remove her child permanently.

I think NOT!

I agree with her very bad judgment, etc., but think your consequences are way over the top.

Kathreja said...

Well, we have to remember, we don't have all the facts. It could very well be that she followed the steps she was supposed to and her CO did tell her to put her kid into foster care. There are jerks in command soo... before anyone jumps to conclusions about her realize her CO very well could have been out of line and violated protocol and the army's own rules about deployment of a child's only parent.

The Crescat said...

my point was if women were never allowed into service this whole debaucle would be a non-issue.

Women don't belong there.

I like how Margaret put it ...
"motherhood should never be second to anything."

It's one or the other. You can't suck up military benifits and live off the govt dime if you use your kid as an excuse to shirk your duties.

Coffee Catholic said...

I was in the military ~ I was a helicopter mechanic. I'm a disabled Gulf War veteran.

No, women do not belong in the military. I've seen with my own eyes exactly why this is and the reasons are legion.

What has always struck me as ironic is how the same Feminists that bray about how, "Women can do everything men can do!" and convince us as girls things such as: we should not only be allowed in the military but also be allowed on the front lines of wars... rarely go onto the front lines of wars themselves. Maybe if they did, maybe if the even served in the military during peace time, they'd see the truth and shut their flapping traps.

Maybe not though. I was also a firefighter. I've seen women that can't do the job *still* insist that yes, they can do the job... I guess PRIDE gets in the way of modern women admitting the truth to themselves and the rest of society.

BTW it's not the grandmother's job to take care of her daughter's kid because her daughter up and joined the military. Sorry lady ~ you make your bed, you sleep in it. (What is up with so many modern women and their overinflated sense of entitlement??? You're in no way "equal" to men if you constantly demand special treatment!)

Coffee Catholic said...

P.S. I couldn't fully do my job as a helicopter mechanic or firefighter because... I'm a woman. And I'm a big, strong gal at that ~ and still couldn't keep up with even the average sized guys. Most of whom were shorter and smaller then me!

Skylarke said...

It’s refreshing to see someone courageous enough to put their opinion out there, political correctness be damned. I’m retired military and I can totally relate to your take on women serving in the military. It’s also nice to know that there are Catholic ladies out there like yourself who are conservative, funny, intelligent, orthodox, pro-life, and faithful to the teachings of our Church. Where have you been all my life?

shussong said...

I proudly served 10 years in the Air Force,there used to be a policy that single parents weren't permittes to stay in the military for the reasons you just described..and ANYONE since the First Gulf War KNOWS that Guardsmen and Reservists get deployed also. Women are not drafted so no woman is "forced" to join the military.

That being said-- women should by all means be allowed and even encouraged to join. I have experiences that I will never forget. I was in Germany when the Wall came down, releasing a good par tof the world from the stranglehold of the Soviet oppression. The experience of a pround Arab man kissing my feet, thanking me for liberating his homeland fromthe tyrant Saddan Hussein. I entered the military as an individual and learned the concept of REAL TEAMWORK...that it didn't matter if you were man or woman, black or white, Jewish, christian, or "undeclared", that me being the best I could be made the team the best it could be. That there are officers that I'll gladly take a bullet for,and some I'd just as soon duck. that the best ministers andpriests inthe world are military chaplains, who bring a few minutes of peace and calm in the middle of dust and chaos....gaining the trust of homosexual servicemen, otherwise terrified of others finding out their "dirty little secret"...

And most of all...when a Viet Nam vet welcomed me home after I returned from Desert Storm, and just this week I welcomed home a young lady leutenant, just got back from Afghanistan.

God Bless our military members :) God Bless their families.

Sara

Angela M. said...

No women in combat or in the kill zone. Period.

Signed,
mother of a soldier serving in Afghanistan.

shussong said...

HHmm..Holy Mother Church says it's ok for women to serve in the military...She even canonized a Saint...a General..

St Joan of Arc

Sara

DammitWomann said...

Sara - Thank YOU for your service. I am behind you 100% - and agree with your take on this.

nazareth priest said...

I'm with you crescat.
No more need be said.
This has nothing to do with equal rights or equal dignity.

katspa2000 said...

Most of you people don't know what you are talking about. You don't know the whole story and should not judge. It is not your place. These family situations occur with single dads as well. I know, because my brother was in such a situation. Deployment delayed until he could find alternative care for his child. We live in an imperfect world and all of us have depended on imperfect people, afterall. If all were perfect and ideal, we'd already be in heaven, which of course we are not. Luckily for my brother, I was in a position at the time to fill in and help care for his daughter while he was overseas. There are many times when the military will accomodate service members, male and female, for family hardship. Do some people take advantage? Sure, but most of us are not in a position to judge so harshly.

I am a woman and proudly served in the US Army...as a medical professional. I had no desire to serve in combat and no particular affinity for military service (I am the first in my family to serve). And certainly no affinity for feminism or any such thing. I am as conservative and as faithful a Catholic as anyone. I simply felt that if medical service was needed, as a result of combat or otherwise, that I could help and be of service. Seems I learned very young something about 'corporal works of mercy'. True, I could not afford to go to college, so that is how I got my education benefits...but I EARNED those benefits, just as anyone in the service does. I received no other assistance from anyone else, required no loans and did not ask others to pay for my education. I am now proudly serving our country's veterans.

I do NOT believe women should be in combat. Luckily I was in a job where that was not a concern. But these days, anyone deployed could be in harm's way. And I did have the sense to complete my time in service by the time I was having children. I had no desire to parent, while in the military. And while it is not ideal, I don't fault anyone who does. We simply don't know the circumstances that people find themselves in that lead them to the service. Let us thank all our military for their service and pray for their safety and for their families.
In God's love,
Kathy

Mary said...

I'm completely with Sara and Kathy on this one; I'm also the mother of a girl who ardently desires to serve God AND country.

The Ironic Catholic said...

On an entirely different note--

Kat, I grew up in Gloucester, and was born in Va Beach....

IC

Gregory said...

"motherhood should never be second to anything."

Crescent,

I like the way you think......
If you were in Cincinnati, I would ask you out on a date.

The Crescat said...

Thank you for the flattery. I have always been a fan of shameless posturing. ;-P

However; at this moment I am currently very fond of a certain slavophile.

The Crescat said...

IC... I was born in Va Beach too. Small blog-o-spere!