Wednesday, December 22, 2010

where did all the men go...

... it's as if they vanished over night leaving nothing but the stench of Hollister and Axe body spray to linger where they once stood.

Never before in my entire life has it been so hard to distinguish between a heterosexual male and a homosexual one. Boys, I call them boys because "men" does not apply, in their mid to late twenties are the strangest breed of effeminate creatures I have every seen. I certainly do not envy young ladies ten years my junior trying to find suitable mates. Not only do they have to decipher whether a man fancies them or not, they now also have to figure if the gentleman even fancies women at all.

At my age I am on the tail end of this gender blurring trend; however, to say I am completely immune would be an inaccuracy. Men in their early thirties, in attempts delay adulthood, have picked up on this trend... the castrated hipster in skinny jeans with the Beiber haircut. I'm not just referring to fashion trends but to the complete and total disappearance of manly demeanor and characteristics.

It's all very confusing.


Anonymous said...

We are still here in fly-over country! haha. You might also look for a logger in the Pacific Northwest.

Suz said...

There are manly men in the Pacific Northwest ...but they are not very often Catholic.

margaret said...

Agree. Men talking about depilatories and moisturisers freak me out.

Old Bob said...

Men depilate?! Oy Vey!! Go look at my picture on my blog. Right now I look like Santa Claus!

Jeff Geerling said...

More men should read the Art of Manliness blog.

Rick said...

If boys do not have male role models, who will they take after>

Dre said...


Piotrek said...

Co-workers talking about their wives' birthing freak me out. Not to mention men who read women's blogs.

PaxetBonum said...

@Jeff Geering- Any male that has to read a "Manliness" blog in order to "man up" is part of the problem, not the solution.

Kat- You can thank your liberal-feminist "sistern" of the last 30 years for rearing several generations of sissy-boy slackers, primarily by de-feminizing their daughters and indoctrinating them with their own feminist, "strong woman" fantasies and anti-male attitudes. The (heterosexual) boys are just adopting the behaviors (sissy-boy, slacker, metrosexual) and protective coloration (skinny jeans or baggy pants down around their butt cracks, Old Navy hoodies, etc) they believe will get them access to what they really want, sex with the de-feminized girls.

Manly men gravitate strongly to manly careers, jobs, and recreational activities- construction trades, mechanics, fire, police, military, hunting, shooting, riding motorcycles, dirt bikes, etc, etc, etc. They are very rarely observed in Old Navy attire, hanging out at the local mall or Starbucks.

Dan said...

You're looking at it negatively. At least these new "men" can give great advice about skin care products

Therese Z said...

We needed to cut open a package in the office the other day. I looked at the men in the conference room and asked to borrow someone's pocket knife and NOT ONE OF THEM HAD ONE.

Also, only one shines his shoes. Only one gets a barber cut.

I miss men too!

John (Ad Orientem) said...

Well... on the bright side; those skin tight jeans are a damn side less ridiculous than the 4XL super baggy pants that the younger generation of males (I decline to refer to them as men) loved to wear down around their knees not too long ago.

But let's be honest. Has there ever been a generation that did not look at the one that followed without shaking their heads? For those of you in the right age bracket and who are fortunate enough to still have living (great)grandparents... ask them what they wore and did back in the roaring 20's, and how their parents reacted. You might be amused.

The Watcher said...

Saw a guy like that come into the local greasy spoon and first thought he was a girl. He saw me staring, came over, and asked the stupid question: 'What're YOU starin' at?' I replied, 'Well, I THOUGHT I was staring at a particularly hot young woman. Considering your clothes, make-up and general demeanor, I'm sure you can understand my confusion.'

The next time I saw him he actually looked more like a guy.

Anonymous said...

Describes me perfectly! ;)

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

A study of Theology will tell you taking Christ down from the cross will feminize men, and de-feminize women.

Stand a Novus Ordo average woman next to a Tridentine Mass attending woman.

Same with the men.

The Springtime fruits really did produce sringtime fruits.

And if women want to catch a man, they should doll up a little; any man that wants to marry a woman that looks like a man is one sick dog.

Women need to look helpless, not hopeless.


Piotrek said...

SMCTOD, I don't think there's an issue with women not "dolling up". I'd say some flaunt their outward feminity rather much. It is the fruits that are the problem. And, as Crescat laments, the same is true of modern men. Makeup or body spray isn't gonna fix that. That's like icing on something that's simply not edible.

The Crescat said...

St. Michael, it's amazing how you can turn everything into N.O mass V. M.E.F.

Tiresome, but amazing still.

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

Got fifty years of devastation to work with.

From murderers wanting to know where they can find forgiveness for their crimes to poor simple people from remote villages, it is tiring even more so to me that the Novus Ordo has so de-catechized souls it borders on pathetic.

Everyday it is a catechism to souls that should be nourished about the Faith.

Happy happy warm and fuzzy of the Novus Ordo is like the Prodigal Son that fell in to eat with pigs.

The corncobs they ate represent sin, which never fills a soul, just keeps the sinner ignorant and busy.

I have never ever known a properly catechized Catholic to be ignorant. They all seem to be Trads.

I have never met a properly Catechized Novus Ordo. (after the 1960’s).

Here is an example.

Holy Mother Church says capital punishment is permissible.

A well known Catholic Bishop in Denver claims capital punishment is wrong.

Who is right?

Is Holy Mother Church the material heretic or the Novus Ordo Bishop?

Find a Catholic Priest and show him my statement about men and women as it relates to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and he will tell you I am correct.

You asked where all the men went and I told you; and I did not comment with a lisp with both hands on my hips.


Just another mad Catholic said...

Just out of interest but where does this leave those men who aspire to the Priesthood/Religious Life? are we less manly for forsaking temporal marriage? Are we less Manly for spending more time on our kness before Our Lord and God, the eternal Bridegroom of our Souls?

I ask because the Impression I get here is that If you don't own a gun, drive a good ole Truck and spend your evenings logging the you are not a man.

PS Although I currently get my hair done at a barbers I hope in the next few years (God willing) to enter a monastary where they observe the full monastic tonsure.

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

Dear Mad Catholic,

One of my confessors drives a good ole truck (Fords only) has several weapons,doesn't log, but he is on a hockey team, and teaches young men how to play.

Another Priest friend in upper New York keeps the boys in his parish enrolled in he-man classes year round.

The most manly men there are pray.

P.S. Men don't get their hair 'done'. We get haircuts.

Saying you are going to get your hair done at the Monastery might get you bounced.


therese rita said...

Ditto your post & ditto your comment above...only I wouldn't have been so charitable as to use the word "tiresome".

Paul Cat said...

I think a follow up could be where have all the women gone?

It is difficult finding a decent woman who is not stuck on herself.

Blair said...

Help me! Yes, I had to pull a pocket knife out of my purse for a man to use the other day. Oy vey.

Jane said...

Saint Michael, if you want to see some properly catechized Catholics who attend Mass in the Ordinary Form, I can direct you to my alma mater. We went through the Baltimore Catechism in grade school, and the 1992 Catechism of the Catholic Church in high school, with Friday's lessons devoted to the Fathers of the Church. I assure you, no one came out of that school not knowing what the Church's official position on capital punishment is. Also, I dare you to come and find any fault with our parish's parochial vicar, who recently gave a homily against the Apollonarian heresy at a Mass for the school children.

Therese--I don't know where you work, but many offices and many cities now have laws against even fairly small pocket knives in the workplace; it may not be the men's fault! My husband (a parish musician) cannot carry a pocket knife because his office is in the school building. But don't accuse him of not being a manly-man, or he'll show you pictures of the ancient truck he drove in high school and tour you through his whole gun collection. He gets his hair cut by a barber, and uses pomade (like Grandpa), not "product" to make his hair look tidy. And yes, both my husband and the parochial vicar are gentlemen who open doors for ladies and take their dirty dishes to the sink.

Just another mad Catholic said...

St Michael

In gung-ho, I'm not sufficently protected unless I have half a dozen automatic weapons, darwinian capitalist Pheonix a semantic difference between the phrase 'getting your hair cut' and 'getting your hair done' may exist - Not in England.

And if you doubt the manliness of the English Male I would remind you that in both WW1 and WW2 the English held the line for years whilst Americans did a passable immitation of the cheese eating surrender monkey French before they they entered the war AFTER being attacked.

I would also remind you of the fact that the White House (apprantly) still bears the scars of being burnt down by the British in the war of 1812.

Also America must answer for starbucks, Wendy's, wacky evengelical preachers who cheat their congregations whilst fornicating/sodmising gay prostitutes and the insane idea that 'tax cuts' for people who are already absurdly wealthy is the solution for every economic problem.

The British on the other hand have given the world Shakespeare, the Sarum Rite, St Simon Stock, Bede the Venerable, Adiran the IV, PROPER beer, Keats etc etc.

Need I go on?

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

Dear Mad Catholic,

Don’t be so humble about England.

You forgot to list England’s greatest contributions to the world:

Elton John and Dame Edna, as well King Henry VIII.

And the only good beer is pulque, made during the Tequila making process. ( I am a Mexican living in the United States).

Dear Miss Jane,

Sorry Missy, I can’t go along with you on this one.

How about your Padre teaching you all about the evils of Freemasonry infiltrated into the Church Hierarchy and Dioceses worldwide that pose an immediate threat to souls as well Holy Mother Church?

Teaching of the past is good, giving instruction on how to live the present is better.

Only Traditional Churches teach against Freemasonry and how it affects the life and blood of the Faithful. They teach how to live Freemason free. (there is a ray of Hope: I just heard a sermon by a Novus Ordo Priest where he blasted Freemasonry. Too bad his sheep knew zero about that danger).

As for weapons, we here in Arizona have a concealed weapon law; you may pack iron anytime you wish, concealed without a government permit. Our weapons may be carried loaded, ready for target practice.

On the original subject of this post, women need to stop falling for the line “I love you so let me drag you into mortal sin, then leave you with a kid or two to live with the rest of your life”.

When women set the standard, Society’s standard gets set.

We will have more men when women stop raising sissy marys and get back to raising men.

No great man was ever raised to be such by his father.

Women have raised all the great men of history.

God bless this blog girl. Her bolg attracts many souls.

This is the manner in which she toils in the vineyard of our Divine Master.


Badger Catholic said...

I think the word it metrosexual.

Anonymous said...

Well, manly or not,they sure don't give up their bus seats to a lady anymore.. :(

Dan said...

Real men don't get their hair cut OR done. They just pull out their knives, pocket, or otherwise, and chop a bit of it off!!

Anonymous said...

Real men don't sit around on the internet and debate what real men do.

Honestly, there are as many definitions of masculinity as there are men. Granted there are some generally accepted standards -- but you don't need to wear flannel and spend an inordinate amount of time grooming your beard to be deemed manly.

Some guys are more effeminate then others, it's always been that way.

I've met a lot of good priests who are more intellectual and less hands-on. I've also met many priests who do everything they can to be considered masculine -- whether or not they actually like guns, sports, or facial hair.

I've generally found the former more genuine than the latter, who tend to creep me out -- it's like they're over doing it; it's as though they're trying to convince people to believe something they're not so sure about themselves.

Anonymous said...

I agree with @Charlie.
There are many different kinds of men who can be considered masculine. I mean, which of the following sounds more like a man to you:

a) A man with perfect clothes, hair product, and no pocket knife who treats people (including, and perhaps especially, women) with respect and isn't afraid to defend the Church, or
b) A man who wears flannel, cuts down trees, and drives a truck who is rude, disrespectful, vulgar, and spiritually apathetic?

I think a man's heart, soul, and mind matter far more than the way he dresses or the car he drives or his facial hair.

In the same way, I think femininity is more about a woman's spirit than her clothes. If a woman tries earnestly to imitate Our Lady but happens to wear jeans, I think that's better than a woman who wears nice dresses but acts like a man.

I appreciate your point, Crescat, and it's definitely a valid one -- I'm just saying that I would much rather encounter a guy in skinny jeans who holds the door for me than a "manly man" who makes me feel like a piece of meat.

The Crescat said...

to reiterate, for those who neglect to read... I clearly stated I was not simply referring to fashion trends, but a lack of masculinity in general.

A prime example... at a recent function there was only one chair left out for a particular meeting. The other chairs would stacked against the wall. The only man there at the time promptly sat his ill bred rump on the single available chair and left the women, including his lucky wife and another very visibly pregnant lady, to stand around or go fetch their own chairs.

Jane said...

Saint Michael,

First of all, I don't appreciate being addressed as "Missy." Where I come from, that term is used either condescendingly or in reference to small girls. I hope you are not being condescending to me, and since I said in my original post that I'm married, it's obvious that I am not a small girl.

Second, what makes you think the Apollonarian heresy is in the past? Have you ever had the misfortune to pick up a Gather Hymnal? Some of the hymns are rife with it. There are no new heresies, but unfortunately the old ones do keep cropping up. Freemasonry is not the only thing we must do battle with; there are Catholics so poorly educated that they would espouse Apollonarianism or Arianism in ignorance--and clarifying the nature of Christ for young children is especially important (and ten-year-olds are less likely to become Freemasons than to accidentally come up with some wrong ideas about God).

I am well aware of your concealed-carry laws in Arizona. We would be very happy if our state had similar laws, but the laws we have here now went on the books before I was old enough to vote. You work with what you have. I'm a little perturbed by your phrase "ready for target practice," though. I hope you are referring to paper targets or squirrels rather than human beings, because that would be a rather cavalier attitude about the taking of human life, which a true Catholic gentleman (such as my husband, who carries openly when he's not at work) would consider the option of last resort.

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

Here is one of my childhood heroes.

A real man we little kids could look up to and emulate:

God loves this good man so much He has even given special graces to him as this interview points out:

It is possible to walk in the ways of the Lord. Our mommies need to show us that path.

Dear Mrs. Jane,

I apologize for having offended you, Madam.

“…Freemasonry is not the only thing we must do battle with…”

It is our number one evil to fight.


Timothy said...
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Timothy said...

They're not at basketball games anymore (though the effeminate guys are effective).

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

If you want a good man, be a good woman:

“To a great extent the level of any civilization is the level of its womanhood. When a man loves a woman, he has to become worthy of her. The higher her virtue, the more her character, the more devoted she is to truth, justice, goodness, the more a man has to aspire to be worthy of her. The history of civilization could actually be written in terms of the level of its women.”

Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen


Anonymous said...

Let's lighten this up.


What's your preference on us manly men; mustache only, or goatee? Or full, well-trimmed, of course, beard?

All you baby-faced Obamaboys wait out this one.

The Crescat said...

“…Freemasonry is not the only thing we must do battle with…”

It is our number one evil to fight.

No, the correct answer is islam. I would have also accepted muhammadans.

Ink said...

"An intelligent, discreet, and pious young woman is worth more than all the money in the world. Tell her that you love her more than your own life, because this present life is nothing, and that your only hope is that the two of you pass through this life in such a way that, in the world to come, you will be united in perfect love." - St. John Chrysostom

Smiley said...

Manly men are Catholic, the practicing kind on thier knees saying rosary. They probably don't watch too much TV. And usually are a thorn in many peoples sides. Their existence is a bother to many.
Whoo hooo

Smiley said...

Manly men are Catholic, the practicing kind on thier knees saying rosary. They probably don't watch too much TV. And usually are a thorn in many peoples sides. Their existence is a bother to many.
Womanly women are Catholic. Anyone else is a mere phantasm of what a real man or woman should be.

Nod said...

Hey, Kat, I know this is OT, but I just came over to wish you a Merry Christmas!

Tween Lit Crit said...

There's no litmus test for masculinity (i.e. trucks or guns), but I daresay that the women who readily recognize and respect it (and are naturally attracted to it)...
are not contracepting.... think about it...

Tween Lit Crit said...

my (rather masculine) hubby just pointed out to me the book, The Decline of Males in which a sociologist apparently explores this very issue...

Cruise the Groove. said...

I do not know a lot of Mohammadens in the US that are a thorn in our sides,
I do know a lot of Freemasons though, where I live.

Freemasonry is condemned by the Catholic Church, Islam is not.

Within the Catholic Church Freemasonry is, in actuality a much, much larger problem.
It has been for well over a century.
Outside the Church, Islam might well be a larger scourge.

therese rita said...

I'm sure you saw that Msgr Pope weighed in on this:

In this article, he bullet points the outstanding characteristics of a real man...although he never addresses the question of where they've gone!
BTW, never in the article states that Joseph was only a good man because Mary was a good woman!
That statement (A man is only as good as his woman) always reminds me of Adam in the garden...runnin' for his figleaf.

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

The evils of Freemasonry and who is responsible for it needs to be exposed.(I have a brief synopsis that needs to be read by Catholics, but I need permission from blog owners to post it).

Go to Mass, close your eyes and throw a rock as you enter the parking lot, and you will probably hit several freemasons...

An Exorcist Priest (may he rest in peace) once told me the enemies of Christ attend Mass more often than we do, just to cause bedevilment to the Priests and Faithful.

It is an awful scourge that has affected every Church everywhere.

Even the Holy father has to deal with them.

Pray for God's mercy; pray for us that engage Satan's sons the Freemasons, in spiritual battle. Pray for the innocent victims of Freemasonic witchcraft and occult ritual.


Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

...BTW, never in the article states that Joseph was only a good man because Mary was a good woman!

In those days God did not have to explain in minute details, ad nauseum, everything He did.

This was known as the Age B.L.

Before Liberals.

Mary set the standard, Saint Joseph followed it.

He was rewarded with Heaven, and Sainthood as the Protector of Holy Mother Church.


therese rita said...

"Mary set the standard, Joseph followed it."

May I suggest you actually read the article referenced prior to commenting on it? I refer you to Bullet point #1, if you don't want to read the whole thing.

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

...reminds me of Adam in the garden...runnin' for his figleaf...


I was responding you your comment, not those of the Reverend Father.


therese rita said...

"...BTW, never in the article states that Joseph was only a good man because Mary was a good woman!

In those days God did not have to explain in minute details, ad nauseum, everything He did."

Not to beat a dead horse BUT...
No, actually, you were responding to Msgr's article because that, in fact, is what I was referring per the above quote.
To hit the Refresh icon: The entire point of my comment earlier today was to point out the relationship between what Msgr Pope had to say on a "real man" & Kat's original post....just to connect the dots for you.

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

Hopefully the Monsignor will read Kat's blog and enlighten us that we may, with the greatests of respect, communicate with him.


Anonymous said...

Oh Kat..., Hello, Kat.... are you there? It might be about time to close this comment box, seems to be getting a bit stale around here... BRawhahahha :)

Methinks M & T should have their street brawl elsewhere.

Saint Michael Come To Our Defense said...

Dear Miss Crescat,

Thank you for the Catholic forum that has the courage to speak on Catholic topics without fear.

Seems like the girly men want to cover their heads and go running away from Truth, crying....


therese rita said...

"T" agrees with you completely...but ladies don't brawl so I'll just leave quietly ;-)

The Crescat said...

Oh for goodness sake. I take a little sabbatical and come back from vacation to find a com-box spat.

Man, I always miss all the fun.

LarryD said...

Merry Christmas, Kat.

One great thing about being Catholic is that you can say "Merry Christmas" on Dec 27, and still not technically be late.