Monday, May 16, 2011

things that can get you excommunicated...

... or at least not invited back at parties.

Simply stating or daring to suggest the Beautification of John Paul II was a tad hasty and fueled largely on cult of personality will be met with appalled gasps. It's not like I denied the Triune God, people. I may have also added that the personal sanctity of JPII does not canonize his every personal opinion or preference, even in regards to the Liturgy.

19 comments:

Tim said...

I don't understand the rush. It's not like he's sitting around in limbo waiting for his paperwork to come through. If he's in Heaven (and I believe he is) then a Certificate of Authenticity bestowed by us Earth bound souls isn't going to change a thing.

I also feel that a rush to canonize gives outsiders the impression that the Church is "manufacturing" saints rather than simply confirming what has been revealed through the fullness of time (if I can hijack a favorite papal phrase).

ArchAngel's Advocate said...

There are a few parties I don't want to be invited to anyway (the Democratic Party, the John Birch party and (some) Tea Party affiliates come to mind...

Tara said...

Gasp!!! The sooner the better :) We live in fast age of everything--our communications are faster then ever--so why wait as if we were in the horse and buggy era?

Cruise the Groove. said...

You hit the proverbial nail squarely on the head.
Whats the rush, to beutify Pope John Paul II?
When he was younger he was quite handsome.
Politics.

margaret said...

Never mind, Kat, you make an excellent bleach-blonde.

Nan said...

He is in heaven. Keep in mind that initially, saints were proclaimed by the people; if one had a cult following, one became a saint. Over time that changed; Pope Benedict XV dispensed the 50 year delay between death and beatification for St. Therese of Lisieux.

TCN said...

I'm with you, Kat. Seems like his stuff is good, very good, but until we know what the eventual fruits are, how can we know for certain? Guess we will just have to trust the Spirit on this one.

Joannie said...

TCN- don't we always have to trust the Spirit?
It's not like JPII skipped steps. It's not like they waived the need for a miracle. I guess I can see why people are upset, but it would make more sense if there was something other than the 5 year waiting period that was waived. I'm not sure why his miracle doesn't "prove" what other miracles of venerables "proves."
Is there something extra important or special about the five-year waiting period that I'm missing? If a Holy Father instituted that norm, why can't he suspend it? : ) Is that the minimum time a person spends in purgatory or something?

Scott W. said...

TCN- don't we always have to trust the Spirit?

Yes, but we must discern whether it is indeed the Spirit, or the euphoria of the moment.

Is there something extra important or special about the five-year waiting period that I'm missing?

Yes. That woman I thought so beautiful and witty in the dimly lit, loud bar fueled by stanky beer doesn't seem my type in the cold light of day and what is this ring doing on my finger?

Owen said...

Another thing that can get you turfed is to admit that you're really not all that jazzed over the marriage of the royals who are not virgin (though the dress was very white and very modest and made priests swoon over Middleton's fine example to slutty Catholic wedding attire) and who most likely used some form of pro creation impeding method since it has been 10 years of togetherness and nary a babe.

Dymphna said...

I think a lot of people quietly think it was done too soon. There was no mention of the beatification at all in my parish.

NBW said...

I am not understanding the rush either.

Joannie said...

Scott- why 5 years? Why not go back to 50?
I guess I just wonder I'd the people who are upset about the beatification would have been upset regardless of the dispensation of the 5 year waiting period.

HRC said...

St. Francis of Assisi was CANONIZED **2 years** after his death. . .

Owen said...

St. Francis of Assisi hung out with animals that are much harder to track down and obtain testimony from.

Dr. Eric said...

St. Thomas Becket was also Canonized within 2 years.

Scott W. said...
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Scott W. said...

Scott- why 5 years? Why not go back to 50?

Unlike the man-with-hangover in my earlier analogy, I'm not married to 5 years. As far as being upset, I'm not and I'm really am not interested in other's emotional state--only whether they can put together a cogent argument.

On a related note, It is good to see that the booze does seem to be wearing off and I'm not seeing much of the John Paul the Great stuff anymore.

Dymphna said...

Both St. Francis and St. Anthony left stunning miracles whereever they went and Francis had the stigmata. You really can't compare these super saints to anyone else.